[fpc-other] Orange Pi vs. Raspberry Pi vs Banana Pi vs ASUS Tinkerboard vs. Odroid

[Paul Robinson]

There are five similar "Altoids tin-sized" single board processors I'm aware of. 
The Raspberry Pi , The Orange Pi, The Banana Pi, The ODROID, and the ASUS Tinkerboard. The Tinkerboard is sometimes referred to as the Maker Board.

Processor:
All of the Orange Pis, All The Banana Pis, The ODROID C1, The Raspberry Pi 2B use a Cortex A7 processor. The Raspberry Pi zero uses an ARM1132F-S (Don't even ask me how they can sell a computer for $5 retail!)The Raspberry Pi 3B and the ODROID C2 use a Cortex A53.
The ODROID XU4 uses a Cortex A15/A7
The Tinkerboard uses a Cortex A17

Cores:
The Raspberry Pi Zero is a single core.All the others are quad core.

Memory ranges from 500 meg to 2GB depending on model.

Instruction Set:
The Raspberry Pi Zero uses an ARM V6 instruction set.Raspberry Pi 2b, 3b; Banana Pi M2, M3; Orange Pi One, PC, Plus, Plus 2; ODROID C1 Plus, XU4 all use the ARM V7 instruction set.
The Raspberry Pi 3B and the ODROID C2 use the ARM V8 Instruction set.
I could not get a solid answer for the Tinkerboard but some people believe it's an ARM v7 instruction set.

In theory any of these that use the ARM V7 instruction set should be equivalent to the Raspberry Pi 2B and in theory if they have a Linux operating system with the same modules it requires then the version of Lazarus/Free Pascal for Raspberry Pi should work on them. The operating words here are "in theory." There can be subtle differences in the associated hardware on the board beyond the processor.  Probably you just have to try running apt-get or whichever installer it supports for the version of Linux it uses and find out.

I've ordered a Tinkerboard myself to play around with. Amazon says it's been delayed until April.

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[Andreas Berger]

Paul, this is very usefull information. Thank you.

Post by Paul Robinson
There are five similar "Altoids tin-sized" single board processors I'm
aware of.
The Raspberry Pi , The Orange Pi, The Banana Pi, The ODROID, and the
ASUS Tinkerboard. The Tinkerboard is sometimes referred to as the
Maker Board.
All of the Orange Pis, All The Banana Pis, The ODROID C1, The
Raspberry Pi 2B use a Cortex A7 processor.
The Raspberry Pi zero uses an ARM1132F-S (Don't even ask me how they
can sell a computer for $5 retail!)
The Raspberry Pi 3B and the ODROID C2 use a Cortex A53.
The ODROID XU4 uses a Cortex A15/A7
The Tinkerboard uses a Cortex A17
The Raspberry Pi Zero is a single core.
All the others are quad core.
Memory ranges from 500 meg to 2GB depending on model.
The Raspberry Pi Zero uses an ARM V6 instruction set.
Raspberry Pi 2b, 3b; Banana Pi M2, M3; Orange Pi One, PC, Plus, Plus
2; ODROID C1 Plus, XU4 all use the ARM V7 instruction set.
The Raspberry Pi 3B and the ODROID C2 use the ARM V8 Instruction set.
I could not get a solid answer for the Tinkerboard but some people
believe it's an ARM v7 instruction set.
In theory any of these that use the ARM V7 instruction set should be
equivalent to the Raspberry Pi 2B and in theory if they have a Linux
operating system with the same modules it requires then the version of
Lazarus/Free Pascal for Raspberry Pi should work on them. The
operating words here are "in theory." There can be subtle differences
in the associated hardware on the board beyond the processor. Probably
you just have to try running apt-get or whichever installer it
supports for the version of Linux it uses and find out.
I've ordered a Tinkerboard myself to play around with. Amazon says
it's been delayed until April.
Paul
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Post by Paul Robinson
There are five similar "Altoids tin-sized" single board processors
I'm aware of.
The Raspberry Pi , The Orange Pi, The Banana Pi, The ODROID, and the
ASUS Tinkerboard. The Tinkerboard is sometimes referred to as the
Maker Board.

There are also more open source based ones like BeagleBone.

There is also the $9 "chip" computer

Not sure if these count as altoids, never heard that before :-)

Beagle bone is more expensive, but more open sourced

And there are more than this even, just forgot the names of some
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[DaWorm]

On Mar 8, 2017 5:14 AM, "Mark Morgan Lloyd" <
markMLl.fpc-***@telemetry.co.uk> wrote:


Beagle bone is more expensive, but more open sourced
Particularly notable due to a couple of DSP-like processors which make it
good for high-speed stuff. However unlike the main processor I believe
these have to be programmed in assembler.


I believe the two I/O processors are Cortex M0 and can be programmed in
just about anything, probably even FPC with a little work. Nice in that
realtime tasks can be handled with dedicated CPUs while user interfaces can
be done in non realtime code.

Jeff

[Lukasz Sokol]

On 02/03/2017 23:54, Paul Robinson wrote:> >> There are five
similar "Altoids tin-sized" single board processors>> I'm aware
of.>> >> The Raspberry Pi , The Orange Pi, The Banana Pi, The
ODROID, and the>> ASUS Tinkerboard. The Tinkerboard is sometimes
referred to as the>> Maker Board.

There are also more open source based ones like BeagleBone. There
is also the $9 "chip" computer Not sure if these count as altoids,
never heard that before :-)

American brand :-)
http://hackaday.com/2017/02/15/piminimint-altoids-rpi-zero-computer/

Beagle bone is more expensive, but more open sourced

Particularly notable due to a couple of DSP-like processors which
make it good for high-speed stuff. However unlike the main processor
I believe these have to be programmed in assembler.

Didn't first (single-core) series of RasPI had similar 'theme' ?

with its 'small' ARM processor runs the OS and programs, and the 'massive'
'Vision' (hence I think, graphics centered) one is just idling
(actually kickstarting the ARM core at boot time only) ?


-L.

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[Graeme Geldenhuys]

Nice information Paul.

Simply to complete the list of information....

Post by Paul Robinson
The Raspberry Pi Zero is a single core.All the others are quad core.

In addition, the first generation Raspberry Pi v1 (which I still use)
was also a single core CPU.

Post by Paul Robinson
Memory ranges from 500 meg to 2GB depending on model.

The 1st gen Raspberry Pi had 256MB shared RAM (128MB for GPU and 128MB
for CPU). Later a 512MB model RPi v1 was also released.

Post by Paul Robinson
The Raspberry Pi Zero uses an ARM V6 instruction set.Raspberry Pi 2b, 3b; Banana Pi M2, M3; Orange Pi One, PC, Plus, Plus 2; ODROID C1 Plus, XU4 all use the ARM V7 instruction set.
The Raspberry Pi 3B and the ODROID C2 use the ARM V8 Instruction set.

The 1st gen Raspberry Pi also uses a ARM V6 instruction set, like the Pi
Zero.




Regards,
Graeme

[Marco van de Voort]

Post by Graeme Geldenhuys
The 1st gen Raspberry Pi had 256MB shared RAM (128MB for GPU and 128MB
for CPU). Later a 512MB model RPi v1 was also released.

The 512MB model was called B+ iirc. The partitioning of the memory was a
firmware setting and could be configured IIRC in 32MB block steps.

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[Karoly Balogh (Charlie/SGR)]

Hi,

Post by Paul Robinson
The Raspberry Pi Zero uses an ARM V6 instruction set.

And as Graeme wrote, all versions of the original RPi 1 also use the v6
instruction set, and are single core. I think the new Zero W (with Wifi)
is also the same.

Post by Paul Robinson
Raspberry Pi 2b, 3b; Banana Pi M2, M3; Orange Pi One, PC, Plus, Plus 2;
ODROID C1 Plus, XU4 all use the ARM V7 instruction set.
The Raspberry Pi 3B and the ODROID C2 use the ARM V8 Instruction set.

Although, the default Raspbian only uses the RPi 3B as a 32bit platform,
which means it runs with the ARMv7 instruction set in the user space, if
you run Linux. I don't know about the ODROID C2.

But it is also important to note from a Free Pascal point of view, that if
someone still goes experimental, and tries 64bit on an RPi or ODROID C2,
they will need the AArch64 version of Free Pascal, not the ARM one, to use
the 64bit features of the chip (which the ARMv8 instruction set is all
about) natively.

(AArch64 relates to ARM like x86_64 relates to i386. Sort of... :P)

Post by Paul Robinson
I could not get a solid answer for the Tinkerboard but some people
believe it's an ARM v7 instruction set.

It is. It is based on the: Rockchip RK3288 SoC:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockchip_RK3288

which has a Cortex-A17 CPU core, which has the ARMv7A instruction set:
https://www.arm.com/products/processors/cortex-a/cortex-a17-processor.php

Post by Paul Robinson
In theory any of these that use the ARM V7 instruction set should be
equivalent to the Raspberry Pi 2B and in theory if they have a Linux
operating system with the same modules it requires then the version of
Lazarus/Free Pascal for Raspberry Pi should work on them. The operating
words here are "in theory." There can be subtle differences in the
associated hardware on the board beyond the processor.  Probably you
just have to try running apt-get or whichever installer it supports for
the version of Linux it uses and find out.

I think by now the ARMv7 chips' userspace code support is fairly
consistent with themselves and should work. Remember, most of these chips
originate from the mobile world, where they have to run Android binaries,
and a lot of them contain native libs, not only Java.

Charlie

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Post by Marco van de Voort

Post by Graeme Geldenhuys
The 1st gen Raspberry Pi had 256MB shared RAM (128MB for GPU and 128MB
for CPU). Later a 512MB model RPi v1 was also released.

The 512MB model was called B+ iirc. The partitioning of the memory was a
firmware setting and could be configured IIRC in 32MB block steps.

No, all the RPi 1Bs had 512MB (except for the very early ones), as well as the B+
RPi2 and 3 had 1GB.
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