[fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

[Graeme Geldenhuys]

Last night I was investigating the idea of moving some of my personal
and company VMs and services to a remote cloud based VPS (Virtual
Private Server).

eg:
https://www.vultr.com/
https://www.vultr.com/pricing/
https://www.vultr.com/locations/

This seems amazing value. And the problem I currently have with hosting
many of my company services myself (like I've been doing for over 4
years), is that I lost my static IPv4 address and my ISP can't give me a
new one. This year alone my IP address has changed about 5 times, and
that means until I notice or my clients complain, my services can't be
accessed, and I need to keep updating many DNS entries and wait until
they propagate across the globe. I already stopped self-hosting my email
due to this issue. With a VPS I'll get an assigned IPv4 and IPv6 address
and it will stay mine as long as I don't delete the VPS I set up.

I'm not really a big fan of cloud based services, but with Vultr, I can
pick the country I host in (a choice of 15 I think), so that is a big
plus, and the price is really good - starting at $2.50 per month. I also
have a huge choice of various OSes and versions I can use to configure a
VPS (luckily FreeBSD is in that list too), and it takes 60 seconds to
get a new VPS up and running - amazing!

https://www.vultr.com/faq/#accordion-tech

Are any of you familiar or use with such services? What's your thoughts
on the subject? Privacy, reliability, speed, preferred country of
hosting etc.

They do per hour billing too, so if one wanted to test a new program or
installation on a different OS, this seems a quick and easy way of doing
it too (without having to create tons of different VM's, though I
already have plenty such VM images lying around). So this might not be
such a big "added advantage" for me.

Regards,
Graeme

[Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis via fpc-other]

Hi Graeme,

Post by Graeme Geldenhuys
Last night I was investigating the idea of moving some of my personal
and company VMs and services to a remote cloud based VPS (Virtual
Private Server).

< snip >

Post by Graeme Geldenhuys
Are any of you familiar or use with such services? What's your thoughts
on the subject? Privacy, reliability, speed, preferred country of
hosting etc.

i'm using host1plus.com for the past 3 years, which AFAIU, is similar
tovultr.com .

regards,

[Travis Siegel]

There are dynamic dns services that can solve this problem for you.
Some of them are even supported directly by some routers, so you might
want to check your router configuration, and see if it has built-in
support for any of the dynamic dns services, and use that one, so you
don't have to do anything at all, just set your dns to point to the
dynamic dns servers, and the ips will change automatically when your ip
does. I've used a couple such services in the past, and they've all
worked fairly well. I can't use one now, because somehow, my isp blocks
incoming traffic to server ports, regardless of what I set them to.
<shrug> Might save you a whole lot of work and likely to be cheaper than
a vpn as well.

Post by Graeme Geldenhuys
Last night I was investigating the idea of moving some of my personal
and company VMs and services to a remote cloud based VPS (Virtual
Private Server).
https://www.vultr.com/
https://www.vultr.com/pricing/
https://www.vultr.com/locations/
This seems amazing value. And the problem I currently have with hosting
many of my company services myself (like I've been doing for over 4
years), is that I lost my static IPv4 address and my ISP can't give me a
new one. This year alone my IP address has changed about 5 times, and
that means until I notice or my clients complain, my services can't be
accessed, and I need to keep updating many DNS entries and wait until
they propagate across the globe. I already stopped self-hosting my email
due to this issue. With a VPS I'll get an assigned IPv4 and IPv6 address
and it will stay mine as long as I don't delete the VPS I set up.
I'm not really a big fan of cloud based services, but with Vultr, I can
pick the country I host in (a choice of 15 I think), so that is a big
plus, and the price is really good - starting at $2.50 per month. I also
have a huge choice of various OSes and versions I can use to configure a
VPS (luckily FreeBSD is in that list too), and it takes 60 seconds to
get a new VPS up and running - amazing!
https://www.vultr.com/faq/#accordion-tech
Are any of you familiar or use with such services? What's your thoughts
on the subject? Privacy, reliability, speed, preferred country of
hosting etc.
They do per hour billing too, so if one wanted to test a new program or
installation on a different OS, this seems a quick and easy way of doing
it too (without having to create tons of different VM's, though I
already have plenty such VM images lying around). So this might not be
such a big "added advantage" for me.
Regards,
Graeme

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[Graeme Geldenhuys]

Post by Travis Siegel
Might save you a whole lot of work and likely to be cheaper than
a vpn as well.

Brilliant idea, thanks for suggesting it. I see my router has a few such
entries like DynDNS.org etc. I'll research this a bit more over the
weekend, and yes it will save me a lot of time (not having to
reconfigure servers from scratch).

Regards,
Graeme

[José Mejuto]

Post by Graeme Geldenhuys
Brilliant idea, thanks for suggesting it. I see my router has a few such
entries like DynDNS.org etc. I'll research this a bit more over the
weekend, and yes it will save me a lot of time (not having to
reconfigure servers from scratch).

Hello,

I'm running a mini VPS (19€/year) where I host minimal services and one
of them is my own DynIP system (not fully configured right now,
currently still using No-IP), because free No-IP forces me to "verify"
still running each month following a link sent by mail.

[Luca Olivetti]

Post by Graeme Geldenhuys

Post by Travis Siegel
Might save you a whole lot of work and likely to be cheaper than
a vpn as well.

Brilliant idea, thanks for suggesting it. I see my router has a few such
entries like DynDNS.org etc. I'll research this a bit more over the
weekend, and yes it will save me a lot of time (not having to
reconfigure servers from scratch).

Check dhis.org
Differently than most (all?) other dynamic dns providers, if your host
goes offline dhis will give it an unreachable address instead of the
last known (and now not valid) address.

Bye

[n***@z505.com]

Post by Graeme Geldenhuys

Post by Travis Siegel
Might save you a whole lot of work and likely to be cheaper than
a vpn as well.

Brilliant idea, thanks for suggesting it. I see my router has a few such
entries like DynDNS.org etc. I'll research this a bit more over the
weekend, and yes it will save me a lot of time (not having to
reconfigure servers from scratch).

You could even get a freebsd based router such as netgate, which would
allow you to run freebsd/pfsense on it and if there was some issue with
your router (missing feature), patch to OS/programs on it :-)

Just bought a freebsd router myself recently.

Only problem with them is they are more costly than buying a general
router for $20-$40 at the store.

https://www.google.com/search?q=netgate+freebsd+router&tbm=isch

These are cool too:
https://pcengines.ch/
(netgate bases a lot of their routers on pcengines boards)

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[Graeme Geldenhuys]

Post by Graeme Geldenhuys
I see my router has a few such
entries like DynDNS.org etc.

I just had a look at this. $40 per year, plus another $29 per year for
Managed DNS support. Without the latter, I'll not be able to redirect my
purchased domain names to the DynDNS hostname I chose, which in turn
will redirect to my dynamic IP address.

That's if I understand it all correctly. So this options is currently
more expensive than what Vultr offers ($30/yr all in (or $60/yr for a
bigger package), and I can do what I want on that VPS and easily point
my DNS entries to the VPS IP address - the latter without extra cost).

I'll still take a look at other dynamic dns companies too, and see how
they compare or what they offer.

Regards,
Graeme

[Andreas Berger]

Graeme, a question about Vultr. I looked at it superficially and didn't
see the answer, but you obviously studied the package well. Can I use
the VPS for data storage as well. My personal VPS has a small CGI
program to monitor my clients, but is mostly used to store large amounts
of logs.

Regards,

Andreas

Post by Graeme Geldenhuys

Post by Graeme Geldenhuys
I see my router has a few such
entries like DynDNS.org etc.

I just had a look at this. $40 per year, plus another $29 per year for
Managed DNS support. Without the latter, I'll not be able to redirect my
purchased domain names to the DynDNS hostname I chose, which in turn
will redirect to my dynamic IP address.
That's if I understand it all correctly. So this options is currently
more expensive than what Vultr offers ($30/yr all in (or $60/yr for a
bigger package), and I can do what I want on that VPS and easily point
my DNS entries to the VPS IP address - the latter without extra cost).
I'll still take a look at other dynamic dns companies too, and see how
they compare or what they offer.
Regards,
Graeme

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[Graeme Geldenhuys]

Post by Andreas Berger
Graeme, a question about Vultr. I looked at it superficially and didn't
see the answer, but you obviously studied the package well. Can I use
the VPS for data storage as well.

Yes you can. From what I understand, all the VPS's are unmanaged VM's,
so it is 100% up to you what you want to do with it.

Take a look at the following URL which lists the VPS packages. The
smallest package ($2.50/month) gives you 20GB of hard drive space - I
assume you will have to deduct a few GB's for the OS install itself, but
that should still leave plenty of space available. The next package up
($5/month) includes 25GB have harddrive space. With each additional
package the storage gets more.

https://www.vultr.com/pricing/

They also include an option for you to purchase additional storage, no
matter the package you choose.

Regards,
Graeme

[Travis Siegel]

2 dollarsfor an additional 5GB of storage if you want it regardless of
the plan you choose. Heck, I'm seriously considering getting one of
these myself, and I don't even have an immediate need for it, just
things I'd like to do that I've been putting off for years. This might
give me the access to go ahead with loads of plans I've shelved for lack
of proper server access. Should prove fun and interesting.

Post by Andreas Berger
Graeme, a question about Vultr. I looked at it superficially and
didn't see the answer, but you obviously studied the package well. Can
I use the VPS for data storage as well. My personal VPS has a small
CGI program to monitor my clients, but is mostly used to store large
amounts of logs.
Regards,
Andreas

Post by Graeme Geldenhuys

Post by Graeme Geldenhuys
I see my router has a few such
entries like DynDNS.org etc.

I just had a look at this. $40 per year, plus another $29 per year for
Managed DNS support. Without the latter, I'll not be able to redirect my
purchased domain names to the DynDNS hostname I chose, which in turn
will redirect to my dynamic IP address.
That's if I understand it all correctly. So this options is currently
more expensive than what Vultr offers ($30/yr all in (or $60/yr for a
bigger package), and I can do what I want on that VPS and easily point
my DNS entries to the VPS IP address - the latter without extra cost).
I'll still take a look at other dynamic dns companies too, and see how
they compare or what they offer.
Regards,
Graeme

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Post by Travis Siegel
2 dollarsfor an additional 5GB of storage if you want it regardless of
the plan you choose. Heck, I'm seriously considering getting one of
these myself, and I don't even have an immediate need for it, just
things I'd like to do that I've been putting off for years. This
might give me the access to go ahead with loads of plans I've shelved
for lack of proper server access. Should prove fun and interesting.

Don't forget to compare vultr to competitors as each company has a
slightly different offering...
All seem to be good. For example DigitalOcean, was mentioned in one of
my previous posts.

There are other ones that I forget the name of
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[Allan]

På Fri, 10 Mar 2017 22:08:16 +0000

Post by Graeme Geldenhuys

Post by Graeme Geldenhuys
I see my router has a few such
entries like DynDNS.org etc.

I just had a look at this. $40 per year, plus another $29 per year for
Managed DNS support. Without the latter, I'll not be able to redirect
my purchased domain names to the DynDNS hostname I chose, which in
turn will redirect to my dynamic IP address.
That's if I understand it all correctly. So this options is currently
more expensive than what Vultr offers ($30/yr all in (or $60/yr for a
bigger package), and I can do what I want on that VPS and easily point
my DNS entries to the VPS IP address - the latter without extra cost).
I'll still take a look at other dynamic dns companies too, and see how
they compare or what they offer.

dyndns.dk is a free service for exactly that.


Allan.



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Post by Travis Siegel
There are dynamic dns services that can solve this problem for you.
Some of them are even supported directly by some routers, so you might
want to check your router configuration, and see if it has built-in
support for any of the dynamic dns services, and use that one, so you
don't have to do anything at all, just set your dns to point to the
dynamic dns servers, and the ips will change automatically when your
ip does. I've used a couple such services in the past, and they've
all worked fairly well. I can't use one now, because somehow, my isp
blocks incoming traffic to server ports, regardless of what I set them
to. <shrug> Might save you a whole lot of work and likely to be
cheaper than a vpn as well.

But running things from your ISP do you not have speed issues
(connection speed, especially Upload)?

There was a time where I was going to host my own websites from my home,
but the ISP upload speeds are pathetic, unless you pay $1000 or more for
a fast connection every month.

For websites with 10 visitors a day it might suffice... but then if
those 10 visitors download a 5mb file even, it's super slow for them...

Maybe ISP upload speeds are better in your country, I don't know, but
IMO upload speeds are still too pathetic and slow for hosing stuff from
your own router/server setup from home/work. Unless you have $1000's
for a fast connection (they used to call them T1? I'm unfamiliar with
what it's called now).

Some ISP's have business services, but they again are pretty expensive
and/or geared toward tiny little businesses, from what I researched
years ago. Not for any website with serious traffic...

Then again if you only have say 5-100 clients and they use your site
occasionally it could work... but as soon as someone downloads a 100MB
file on your little home/work router/server setup, the server bogs down?
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Post by n***@z505.com
For websites with 10 visitors a day it might suffice... but then if
those 10 visitors download a 5mb file even, it's super slow for them...
Maybe ISP upload speeds are better in your country, I don't know, but
IMO upload speeds are still too pathetic and slow for hosing stuff from
your own router/server setup from home/work. Unless you have $1000's
for a fast connection (they used to call them T1? I'm unfamiliar with
what it's called now).

Here in Sweden I am on a 250/100 Mbit/s fiber connection to my home
for 339 SEK/month (that is about 38 USD/month)
That is 100 Mbit/s upload speed.

[Graeme Geldenhuys]

Post by Bo Berglund
Here in Sweden I am on a 250/100 Mbit/s fiber connection to my home
for 339 SEK/month (that is about 38 USD/month)

I've noticed recently that many EU countries offer MUCH better deals
than the UK. The UK Government is making a lot of noise about improving
out internet.

Now compared to South Africa, where I lived before, there they consider
"super fast broadband" a 4Mbps line and the most sold deal is still a
128-256Kbps connections!!! :-( Upload speeds are even slower. South
Africa's internet is totally useless!

Regards,
Graeme

[n***@z505.com]

Post by Graeme Geldenhuys

Post by Bo Berglund
Here in Sweden I am on a 250/100 Mbit/s fiber connection to my home
for 339 SEK/month (that is about 38 USD/month)

I've noticed recently that many EU countries offer MUCH better deals
than the UK. The UK Government is making a lot of noise about improving
out internet.
Now compared to South Africa, where I lived before, there they consider
"super fast broadband" a 4Mbps line and the most sold deal is still a
128-256Kbps connections!!! :-( Upload speeds are even slower. South
Africa's internet is totally useless!

Unless you just change the entire bloatware software industry to stop
shipping 290 MB products that could be 1MB instead. Programs like
uTorrent are packed with features and are only 2.29MB to download,
whereas other apps on the internet (like chromium embedded) are
150-300MB with basically the same feature set.

Wirth's software law:
Wirth's Law states that computer software increases in complexity faster
than does the ability of available hardware to run it.

But since we have to deal with this, indeed I'd like countries to
support a faster internet connections to match up to these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terabit_Ethernet

our current internet speeds are basically usb 1.0/2.0 speeds, if not
worse, as a usb upload AFAIK is the same as a download? speed.
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[Graeme Geldenhuys]

Post by n***@z505.com
Unless you just change the entire bloatware software industry to stop
shipping 290 MB products that could be 1MB instead.

Oh yeah, this is another pet hate of mine. My accounting package is a
5-8MB install and does absolutely everything. Compare that to commercial
off the shelf accounting packages which install 500MB-1GB to run. What
the hell!!

But that's for another discussion. ;-)

Regards,
Graeme

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Post by Graeme Geldenhuys
Oh yeah, this is another pet hate of mine. My accounting package is a
5-8MB install and does absolutely everything. Compare that to
commercial
off the shelf accounting packages which install 500MB-1GB to run. What
the hell!!

Cool, is it like a quickbooks product?
Written in fpgui or lazarus lcl?

I've been wondering what accountants use for databases mostly, as all
accounting data needs to be queried, so why not SQL? Some programs have
their own non standard query language to query the accounting data
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[Graeme Geldenhuys]

Post by n***@z505.com
Cool, is it like a quickbooks product?
Written in fpgui or lazarus lcl?

No, not quite. It is called BS1 Accounts, written by a Canadian using
Delphi 7 I believe. Everything is written using only standard Delphi
components and reporting tools included with Delphi. NO 3rd party
components at all.

BS1 Accounts has been around for absolute ages, and does an amazing
amount of stuff. There are now multiple versions of the product, and the
one targeted for contractors (BS1 Professional Time Billing) are now
free (single user license). It uses multiple different database (SQL)
backends. The one I got is an embedded database (not sure what database
exactly - NexusDB or something I think).


http://www.dbsonline.com/accounting/


Regards,
Graeme

[Travis Siegel]

Just for reference, a T1 hasn't costed thousands of dollars for more
than 20 years. The last time I had one, it was less than 600 a month,
and that was more than 10 years ago.

Of course, these days, with fiber, and highspeed dsl, a T1 line is
relatively useless considering the cost and transfer speeds.

I've not priced them recently, so have no idea what it would cost to get
one, but considering I get 25MBPS from my current provider for less than
100 bucks, I'm not complaining, since a standard T1 is only 1.54MBPS.

Post by Bo Berglund

Post by n***@z505.com
For websites with 10 visitors a day it might suffice... but then if
those 10 visitors download a 5mb file even, it's super slow for them...
Maybe ISP upload speeds are better in your country, I don't know, but
IMO upload speeds are still too pathetic and slow for hosing stuff from
your own router/server setup from home/work. Unless you have $1000's
for a fast connection (they used to call them T1? I'm unfamiliar with
what it's called now).

Here in Sweden I am on a 250/100 Mbit/s fiber connection to my home
for 339 SEK/month (that is about 38 USD/month)
That is 100 Mbit/s upload speed.

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[Graeme Geldenhuys]

Post by Travis Siegel
I've not priced them recently, so have no idea what it would cost to get
one, but considering I get 25MBPS from my current provider for less than
100 bucks, I'm not complaining, since a standard T1 is only 1.54MBPS.

Here in the UK they have been trial'ing 1Gbps fiber-to-the-home
connections in a single town for a couple months now. The rate is
£30/month. I can't remember the exact upload speed, I think it was 100Mbps.

I currently pay £15/month for a mere 75Mbps, so I'll pay £30 for that
speeds with a smile. If this is what the future Internet in the UK looks
like, I'll be pretty happy.

Now the only thing remaining is for all ISP's to switch off IPv4 and
only use IPv6 (wishful thinking). My ISP already supports IPv6, which is
great. Hopefully when IPv6 finally picks up, they will stop charging us
the ridiculous amounts for static IP addresses.

Regards,
Graeme

[José Mejuto]

Post by Graeme Geldenhuys
Now the only thing remaining is for all ISP's to switch off IPv4 and
only use IPv6 (wishful thinking). My ISP already supports IPv6, which is
great. Hopefully when IPv6 finally picks up, they will stop charging us
the ridiculous amounts for static IP addresses.

Hello,

IPv6 in most ISPs will continue to be dynamic :-/ which have its
advantages and problems.

Talking about lines in Spain the usual DSL is in average 3mbit down and
0.6mbit up but when you are in a "big" city you can get fiber with 300
mbit symmetric and recently with one provider 500 Mbit symmertric (well
they says symmetric, but as I'm not in a big city I'm using 10D-0.8U
Mbits which is almost the best in rural zones).

[n***@z505.com]

Post by Graeme Geldenhuys
Now the only thing remaining is for all ISP's to switch off IPv4 and
only use IPv6 (wishful thinking).

Won't switching off ipv4 break old software apps?
or backwards compatibility is in place?

Yet another latest and greatest I will have to rersearch
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[Graeme Geldenhuys]

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Won't switching off ipv4 break old software apps?
or backwards compatibility is in place?

As far as I know IPv6 is backwards compatible (in that it can handle
IPv4 traffic), but IPv6 has so many benefits and makes so many IPv4
"features" obsolete. IPv6 is also faster than IPv4.

Regards,
Graeme

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[Luca Olivetti]

Post by Graeme Geldenhuys

Post by n***@z505.com
Won't switching off ipv4 break old software apps?
or backwards compatibility is in place?

As far as I know IPv6 is backwards compatible (in that it can handle
IPv4 traffic)

AFAIK it isn't.


https://cr.yp.to/djbdns/ipv6mess.html

Bye

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Post by Luca Olivetti

Post by Graeme Geldenhuys

Post by n***@z505.com
Won't switching off ipv4 break old software apps?
or backwards compatibility is in place?

As far as I know IPv6 is backwards compatible (in that it can handle
IPv4 traffic)

AFAIK it isn't.
https://cr.yp.to/djbdns/ipv6mess.html
Bye
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Luca

So what does this mean for an old software app written with only ipv4
sockets procedures that is not updated to ipv6?

There are plenty of old windows nt apps or possibly even old fpc sockets
apps that were only built for ipv4 at the time.

And what does it mean when an old ipv4 app connects to an ISP that is
designed for ipv6?
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[Graeme Geldenhuys]

Post by Luca Olivetti
AFAIK it isn't.
https://cr.yp.to/djbdns/ipv6mess.html

Take everything you read on the Internet with a pinch of salt. :) That
page seems very old and much out of date. ie: it references multiple
times articles dated cira 2002 - that's 14 years ago.

eg:
"Example of the difference: As of 2002.11, Google hasn't published IPv6
addresses for www.google.com. What exactly is Google's reward for
spending time setting up useless IPv6 addresses for its perfectly
functional IPv4 machines? In contrast, they've had IPv6 software for years."

I've got IPv6 enabled here, and my ISP supports IPv6 fully. I enabled
IPv6 as my preferred IP protocol, and http://ipv6.google.com works
perfectly for me, and many (if not all web servers) will determine the
best protocol to use if both IPv4 and IPv6 are enabled for the same URL.
I've also installed a Firefox add-on which hows me in the URL bar if I'm
talking to a web server using IPv4 or IPv6. I often see IPv6 enabled
these days (and that's not just for Google domains).

Regards,
Graeme

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Post by Graeme Geldenhuys

Post by Luca Olivetti
AFAIK it isn't.
https://cr.yp.to/djbdns/ipv6mess.html

Take everything you read on the Internet with a pinch of salt. :) That
page seems very old and much out of date. ie: it references multiple
times articles dated cira 2002 - that's 14 years ago.
"Example of the difference: As of 2002.11, Google hasn't published IPv6
addresses for www.google.com. What exactly is Google's reward for
spending time setting up useless IPv6 addresses for its perfectly
functional IPv4 machines? In contrast, they've had IPv6 software for years."
I've got IPv6 enabled here, and my ISP supports IPv6 fully. I enabled
IPv6 as my preferred IP protocol, and http://ipv6.google.com works
perfectly for me, and many (if not all web servers) will determine the
best protocol to use if both IPv4 and IPv6 are enabled for the same URL.

But, correct me if I'm wrong, if you don't run a dual stack os, you
can't contact an ipv4 host, on an ipv4 address, from an ipv6 host.
Basically, it's true that there's no real transition path: ipv6 is
useless for servers since they cannot be contacted by ipv4 clients
(unless they also have an ipv4 address), and it's equally useless for
clients (unless, again, they also have an ipv4 address to contact 99% of
the Internet).


Bye

[Graeme Geldenhuys]

Post by Luca Olivetti
Basically, it's true that there's no real transition path: ipv6 is
useless for servers since they cannot be contacted by ipv4 clients

The problem lies full heartedly with the ISPs as far as I'm concerned.
They are the problem and the bottleneck. They are the ones dragging
their feet.

Any web server software worth using supports both IPv4 and IPv6 for a
very long time already. All OSes worth using have been supporting IPv4
and IPv6 for over a decade.

If ISPs enabled IPv6 faster, then more companies and people can start
serving content via IPv6. Pretty soon, IPv4 would end up being legacy
and could be totally removed a few years later.


Regards,
Graeme

[José Mejuto]

Post by Luca Olivetti
But, correct me if I'm wrong, if you don't run a dual stack os, you
can't contact an ipv4 host, on an ipv4 address, from an ipv6 host.
Basically, it's true that there's no real transition path: ipv6 is
useless for servers since they cannot be contacted by ipv4 clients
(unless they also have an ipv4 address), and it's equally useless for
clients (unless, again, they also have an ipv4 address to contact 99% of
the Internet).

Hello,

If your system is IPV6 only you can connect with any IPV4 or IPV6 (ISP
routers NATs the address), if you are IPV4 you can only see IPV4 world.

[Luca Olivetti]

Post by José Mejuto

Post by Luca Olivetti
But, correct me if I'm wrong, if you don't run a dual stack os, you
can't contact an ipv4 host, on an ipv4 address, from an ipv6 host.
Basically, it's true that there's no real transition path: ipv6 is
useless for servers since they cannot be contacted by ipv4 clients
(unless they also have an ipv4 address), and it's equally useless for
clients (unless, again, they also have an ipv4 address to contact 99% of
the Internet).

Hello,
If your system is IPV6 only you can connect with any IPV4 or IPV6 (ISP
routers NATs the address), if you are IPV4 you can only see IPV4 world.

So, while for a client ipv6 is enough, for a server ipv4 is mandatory.
Glad I'm still on ipv4 ;-) (since I host my own mail server).

Bye

[Santiago A.]

Post by Luca Olivetti
So, while for a client ipv6 is enough, for a server ipv4 is mandatory.
Glad I'm still on ipv4 ;-) (since I host my own mail server).
Bye

Well, that is not accurate.

IPV6 can connect only to IPV6
IPV4 can connect only to IPV4

In fact, if you have active the two stacks in your computer (if you
have IPV6, odds you also have IPV4) your network card has two IPs
address: an IPV6 address and an IPV4 address. And IPV6 address is not a
translation of the IPV4 address, both addresses are not related at all.

So, If you have a mail server and you want it IPV6 and IPV4 aware, it
must listen both IPs: IPV6 and IPV4.

Usually devices that have IPV6 have also IPV4 stack, but routing from
IPV4 to IPV6 is something that most devices will not have to do. Only
routers in a networks that has both types of devices, probably only ISPs
or routers from large networks. There is a range of IPV6 reserved to old
IPV4: 0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:x.x.x.x. (also written ::FFFF.x.x.x.x)

i.e. if you have two ISPs with IPV6 and you send a message using IPV4.
from 1.1.1.1 to 2.2.2.2, you ISP will convert to from ::FFFF.1.1.1.1 to
::FFFF.2.2.2.2 (in IPV6 format::FFFF:0101:0101 and ::FFFF:0202:0202)
before sending to another ISP with IPV6, and then, the second ISP with
use IPV4 to send it to 2.2.2.2

The problem nowadays is that many intermediate devices (routers etc)
don't support IPV6. DNS servers are ready to support IPV6, but most DNS
don't have it configured.
So transition of ISPs to IPV6 is going to take long. You will be able to
live years with only IPV4. And probably we won't see in our life
only-IPV6 devices, let alone ISPs.

[Sven Barth via fpc-other]

Post by Santiago A.

Post by Luca Olivetti
So, while for a client ipv6 is enough, for a server ipv4 is mandatory.
Glad I'm still on ipv4 ;-) (since I host my own mail server).
Bye

Well, that is not accurate.
IPV6 can connect only to IPV6
IPV4 can connect only to IPV4

One can also have Dual Stack-lite (which is what I have at home) where
one only has a public IPv6 address and any IPv4 access is routed through
a NAT of the ISP. So it is definitely possible to tunnel IPv4 through
IPv6, though this won't allow you to directly connect IPv6 to IPv4 (you
always need a NAT inbetween for that).

Regards,
Sven
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Post by Santiago A.

Post by Luca Olivetti
So, while for a client ipv6 is enough, for a server ipv4 is mandatory.
Glad I'm still on ipv4 ;-) (since I host my own mail server).
Bye

Well, that is not accurate.

Oh, but that's was only based on what José said, I originally posted
this link https://cr.yp.to/djbdns/ipv6mess.html that in spite of being
14 years old it is still valid

Post by Santiago A.
IPV6 can connect only to IPV6
IPV4 can connect only to IPV4

That's what I thought.

Bye

[José Mejuto]

Post by Luca Olivetti

Post by Santiago A.

Post by Luca Olivetti
So, while for a client ipv6 is enough, for a server ipv4 is mandatory.
Glad I'm still on ipv4 ;-) (since I host my own mail server).
Bye

Well, that is not accurate.

Oh, but that's was only based on what José said, I originally posted
this link https://cr.yp.to/djbdns/ipv6mess.html that in spite of being
14 years old it is still valid

Post by Santiago A.
IPV6 can connect only to IPV6
IPV4 can connect only to IPV4

Hello,

In the conversation we were talking from the point of view of a
broadband client, or at least that's what I understood. So trying to be
clear from the point of view of the communications starter:

IPv6 can reach IPv6 and IPv4 as somewhere one double stacked router will
NAT it, as currently is "mandatory" for the migration.

Of course a server with IPv6 can be only reached with IPv6.

[Graeme Geldenhuys]

Post by José Mejuto
IPv6 in most ISPs will continue to be dynamic :-/ which have its
advantages and problems.

With my ISP (Sky Broadband in the UK), they allocate a huge amount of
IPv6 addresses to each Sky Fibre customers. These addresses don't change
as far as I know - unlike the IPv4 ones.

Regards,
Graeme

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Post by Graeme Geldenhuys

Post by José Mejuto
IPv6 in most ISPs will continue to be dynamic :-/ which have its
advantages and problems.

With my ISP (Sky Broadband in the UK), they allocate a huge amount of
IPv6 addresses to each Sky Fibre customers. These addresses don't change
as far as I know - unlike the IPv4 ones.

Hello,

Taken from helpforum.sky.com:

"... however do note that Sky's IPv6 allocation to you is dynamic, so
this may change over time."

[David W Noon via fpc-other]

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Post by José Mejuto

Post by Graeme Geldenhuys

Post by José Mejuto
IPv6 in most ISPs will continue to be dynamic :-/ which have its
advantages and problems.

With my ISP (Sky Broadband in the UK), they allocate a huge amount of
IPv6 addresses to each Sky Fibre customers. These addresses don't change
as far as I know - unlike the IPv4 ones.

Hello,
"... however do note that Sky's IPv6 allocation to you is dynamic, so
this may change over time."

If you are going to use an IPv6 network at home, you also need to read
RFC 4193, as that is the IPv6 work-alike to RFC 1918.

I have been using IPv6 at home for about 10 years, but the routers run
by my ISP (Virgin Media) either reject IPv6 addresses or go into a state
of catalepsy when they receive a packet with an IPv6 header.
Consequently, IPv6 is still only for internal use.

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Post by Travis Siegel
Just for reference, a T1 hasn't costed thousands of dollars for more
than 20 years. The last time I had one, it was less than 600 a month,
and that was more than 10 years ago.

Indeed, I only did research on them about 15-20 years ago and haven't
done any research on them since.

IMO every person should be able to run their own server in their home at
low cost. ISP's are simply ripping people off, IMO.
It does not cost 600 dollars a month to "ship" electricity to someone's
house....
They have almost no costs involved other than installing the wires and
boxes and infrastructure. Indeed the infrastructure had up front costs,
but there is a reason why telephone companies are multi million dollar
for profit companies: Because suckers pay for their services at inflated
prices.

Still I'm happy that they give you good download speeds for a good price
, just not the upload speeds

Post by Travis Siegel
Of course, these days, with fiber, and highspeed dsl, a T1 line is
relatively useless considering the cost and transfer speeds.

The speeds still are not any faster than a 10/100 network card which is
very old technology.
I'd like to see internet speeds reach the 1000 speed cards, and for wifi
to also improve to that.
But this is just a dreamer speaking.

Even usb2.0 speed is pretty slow compared to a 1000 card. So why use
internet at usb 2.0 speeds or 10/100 card speeds? But again: just
dreaming here...
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Isps don't want folks running servers from their homes, because that's
considered business use, and they charge roughly 10 times the price of
residential service for business lines, even they run over the same
exact lines, and use the same exact equipment as residential lines. I
don't understand it myself, since a heavy gamer is going to hit their
services much harder than many average size business users will, but
apparently, that's how they break up things. And, interestingly enough,
I asked my local provider what a static ip would cost, and they told me
a static ip would be 400 a month, and that doesn't include the actual
internet access, that's just for the static ip.

I have no idea how many of their customers pay that price, but
apparently some do, or they'd not have the price. In addition,
apparently, they have some sort of snooper installed now, because it
used to work for me to hit my external ip, and I could use my router to
redirect traffic to certain machines/ports on my internal network. That
no longer works, so they started blocking incoming connections, but I
don't know how they do that, since outgoing connections work just fine,
and I know some services connect back to the outgoing machine to verify
connections and such, so perhaps they're dynamically watching
connections, or maybe it's something simpler than that, but regardless,
running servers with these guys is no longer possible.

Post by n***@z505.com

Post by Travis Siegel
Just for reference, a T1 hasn't costed thousands of dollars for more
than 20 years. The last time I had one, it was less than 600 a month,
and that was more than 10 years ago.

Indeed, I only did research on them about 15-20 years ago and haven't
done any research on them since.
IMO every person should be able to run their own server in their home
at low cost. ISP's are simply ripping people off, IMO.
It does not cost 600 dollars a month to "ship" electricity to
someone's house....
They have almost no costs involved other than installing the wires and
boxes and infrastructure. Indeed the infrastructure had up front
costs, but there is a reason why telephone companies are multi million
dollar for profit companies: Because suckers pay for their services at
inflated prices.
Still I'm happy that they give you good download speeds for a good
price , just not the upload speeds

Post by Travis Siegel
Of course, these days, with fiber, and highspeed dsl, a T1 line is
relatively useless considering the cost and transfer speeds.

The speeds still are not any faster than a 10/100 network card which
is very old technology.
I'd like to see internet speeds reach the 1000 speed cards, and for
wifi to also improve to that.
But this is just a dreamer speaking.
Even usb2.0 speed is pretty slow compared to a 1000 card. So why use
internet at usb 2.0 speeds or 10/100 card speeds? But again: just
dreaming here...
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Post by Bo Berglund

Post by n***@z505.com
For websites with 10 visitors a day it might suffice... but then if
those 10 visitors download a 5mb file even, it's super slow for them...
Maybe ISP upload speeds are better in your country, I don't know, but
IMO upload speeds are still too pathetic and slow for hosing stuff from
your own router/server setup from home/work. Unless you have $1000's
for a fast connection (they used to call them T1? I'm unfamiliar with
what it's called now).

Here in Sweden I am on a 250/100 Mbit/s fiber connection to my home
for 339 SEK/month (that is about 38 USD/month)
That is 100 Mbit/s upload speed.

That's a good deal, almost worth it to move to sweden just for it.
Too bad your country is infected by...
Nope sorry, won't start a Islam rant here.
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Post by n***@z505.com
But running things from your ISP do you not have speed issues
(connection speed, especially Upload)?

What I host (couple of small business websites, newsgroups, one bug
tracker etc) doesn't consume much bandwidth. You are indeed correct that
most ISP prioritise download speeds and only give you 1-2Mbps upload
speeds. My ISP (Sky UK) gives me 75Mbps download and 20Mbps upload
speeds for £15. I have a Fibre to the Cabinet connection. The upload
speed is ample for my needs and traffic. Most other ISP's in the UK have
1-2Mbps upload speeds.

Regards,
Graeme

[Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis via fpc-other]

Hi,

Post by Travis Siegel
There are dynamic dns services that can solve this problem for you.
Some of them are even supported directly by some routers, so you might
want to check your router configuration, and see if it has built-in
support for any of the dynamic dns services, and use that one, so you
don't have to do anything at all, just set your dns to point to the
dynamic dns servers, and the ips will change automatically when your
ip does. I've used a couple such services in the past, and they've
all worked fairly well. I can't use one now, because somehow, my isp
blocks incoming traffic to server ports, regardless of what I set them
to. <shrug> Might save you a whole lot of work and likely to be
cheaper than a vpn as well.

don't know for Graeme but running a VPS was the result of my decision to
run my own mail and dns server for my domain . The problem running these
services ( mainly for mail ) on a dynamic dns connection is the lack of
rDNS .

So, with a cost of ~120€/year I've a Debian Server with ISPConfig
running DNS, MAIL, WEB, FTP, etc . Succesfully run a GOGS ( go git
service ), ISPConfig supported DynDNS and more, leaving my home office
connection free for other uses .

regards,

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Post by Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis via fpc-other
So, with a cost of ~120€/year I've a Debian Server with ISPConfig
running DNS, MAIL, WEB, FTP, etc . Succesfully run a GOGS ( go git
service ), ISPConfig supported DynDNS and more, leaving my home office
connection free for other uses .

Thanks for the input Dimitrios. It seems I am heading this way myself,
and by the looks of it $30-$60 per year (from Vultr) is a pretty sweet
deal. I might just reconsider hosting my own email server again too.

Regards,
Graeme

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Post by Graeme Geldenhuys
Last night I was investigating the idea of moving some of my personal
and company VMs and services to a remote cloud based VPS (Virtual
Private Server).
https://www.vultr.com/
https://www.vultr.com/pricing/
https://www.vultr.com/locations/

There is also DigitalOcean, with good pricing.

It's hard to find BSD hosting and digitalocean offers it as you can
install your own copy of any OS they have available.

The issue with these services is that you have to manage your own
server, which IMO takes too much time. I'd rather have hostgator deal
with server issues so I can focus on real work. You have to update your
OS yourself, do the patches, etc. I'd rather have someone do that for
me, as that's kind of like taking out the garbage, doing dishes,
cleaning up php's messes, that I don't want to take the time out to do.

I love the idea of having my own bsd (non gpl) web hosting OS installed
myself, but then again it likely runs on a virtual linux server anyway
and is just a bsd vm, so any linux security breaches would still sort of
be there. And if some bsd distro comes out every 6 months, I would have
to update it myself every 6 months and supply patches to programs on the
OS I do't know every few weeks/days which I have no time to do, so a
managed shared server for $10/month or less works fine for me.... with
the exception of the fact that I'm no fan of gpl, and a lot of the
shared hosting companies are gpl'd linux servers. There are very few
bsd web hosting companies out there. But even if you get a cloud bsd
solution, it likely runs on a linux kernel in a vm anyway
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Post by n***@z505.com
It's hard to find BSD hosting and digitalocean offers it as you can
install your own copy of any OS they have available.

Actually no, there are quite a lot that support FreeBSD VMs. Just last
night I found the following:

* DigitalOcean
* Vultr
* Atlantic.Net
* RootBSD
* Cloudsigma
* Amazon AWS

Post by n***@z505.com
The issue with these services is that you have to manage your own
server

:) That is exactly what I was looking for. I have different clients
running different versions of WordPress etc. The simple cPanel style
management (some web management interface) can't cater for such situations.

As for FreeBSD updates. That is another reason I switched to FreeBSD
several years ago. The base OS is clearly separated from user installed
software (unlike ALL Linux distros). Upgrading the base FreeBSD OS
(that's the kernel and base utilities and libraries) is an absolute
breeze, and I've never had it fail on me before. I've upgraded many
FreeBSD systems multiple times over the past 4+ years and every time it
worked flawlessly.

As for the user installed programs or services (eg: Apache, Firebird
etc), I always do those via the FreeBSD ports system. And again, that
has worked out very well for me. I don't like binary package systems
(with hard-code dependencies).

Post by n***@z505.com
bsd web hosting companies out there. But even if you get a cloud bsd
solution, it likely runs on a linux kernel in a vm anyway

Some run Xen on bare metal systems. Vultr utilizes KVM ( Kernel-based
Virtual Machine ) on 100% of their infrastructure.



Regards,
Graeme

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Post by Graeme Geldenhuys

Post by n***@z505.com
It's hard to find BSD hosting and digitalocean offers it as you can
install your own copy of any OS they have available.

Actually no, there are quite a lot that support FreeBSD VMs. Just last
* DigitalOcean
* Vultr
* Atlantic.Net
* RootBSD
* Cloudsigma
* Amazon AWS

I meant freebsd managed shared hosting.

Linux is f**King massive marketshare... absolutely astounding.

I love bsd, but here is my famous quote that people will hate me for

"Linux is everywhere. Bsd is nowhere."

Indeed you mentioned a few hosts but compared to linux, that's
absolutely nothing :-)

An update to my above famous quote:

"Linux is everywhere. Bsd is nowhere. I hope this changes."

Much more positive outlook and friendly and less flamewar ish.

Post by Graeme Geldenhuys

Post by n***@z505.com
The issue with these services is that you have to manage your own
server

:) That is exactly what I was looking for. I have different clients
running different versions of WordPress etc. The simple cPanel style
management (some web management interface) can't cater for such situations.

I'd love to manage 10 servers, I just find it takes away from my
programming and other life tasks..
The amount of time updating some retarded old buggy php version or OS
version that keeps coming out every few hours, takes lots of time... I
don't envy web hosting companies that do patches every other
day/second/millisecond.

Then you have to deal with security too: you will not have all the time
in the world to check that someone has broken in to your server, but a
shared host has hundreds of contractors/employees working for them ...
and also there is automatic backups issue. You have to set all this up
yourself.

I'd LOVE to run 10-20 freebsd servers myself, it's just the time. It's
equivalent to never taking your car in to the garage to get fixed, you
do all the work yourself. I love it - but takes too much time.

Post by Graeme Geldenhuys
As for FreeBSD updates. That is another reason I switched to FreeBSD
several years ago. The base OS is clearly separated from user installed
software (unlike ALL Linux distros). Upgrading the base FreeBSD OS
(that's the kernel and base utilities and libraries) is an absolute
breeze, and I've never had it fail on me before. I've upgraded many
FreeBSD systems multiple times over the past 4+ years and every time it
worked flawlessly.

That's good news.

AFAIR at one time you could not upgrade openbsd, you had to fresh
install it and then copy all your files manually. I could be wrong about
this. It may have been Loonix that I was thinking about, I cannot
remember.
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Post by n***@z505.com
"Linux is everywhere. Bsd is nowhere."

BSD (at least FreeBSD) is not as loud mouthed as Linux on the Internet.
They got the heads down and keep churning out solid releases one after
the other. I like that! ;-)

Post by n***@z505.com
Indeed you mentioned a few hosts but compared to linux, that's
absolutely nothing :-)

That was by no means an exhaustive list of hosting providers supporting
FreeBSD. It was simply what I found in about 15 minutes of internet
searching.

Post by n***@z505.com
The amount of time updating some retarded old buggy php version or OS
version that keeps coming out every few hours, takes lots of time...

Probably not the best way to do things, but I feel that if things ain't
broke (for me), then don't fix it. I know patches and bug fixes come out
by the minute, but I only update my systems around once every 6 months.
If I hear some very serious security problems, then I'll most likely
patch that program/library sooner (eg: OpenSSH library a few months
back). Saying that, I still run one or two VM servers using FreeBSD 9,
even though the latest version is FreeBSD 11.

I've also had my fair share of Ubuntu systems auto-updating itself by
the minute, when a patch gets released - and more times than I care to
remember, it broken something else in the process (other programs stop
working, things fail to compile etc). Hence I am a lot more conservative
with updates for the last few years.

Post by n***@z505.com
and also there is automatic backups issue. You have to set all this up
yourself.

The key is consistency - do things the same and document processes. I
have scripts or documentation (text files) to help me manage my servers.
Each client's hosting environment is set up like the one before. Backup
script is copied to a new name (for a new client), one or two variables
amended, and then added to a cron job. This way things actually take
very little effort and time.



Regards,
Graeme

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Post by Graeme Geldenhuys
As for the user installed programs or services (eg: Apache, Firebird
etc), I always do those via the FreeBSD ports system. And again, that
has worked out very well for me. I don't like binary package systems
(with hard-code dependencies).

What do you mean by binary package systems:
https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/pkgng-intro.html
4.4. Using pkg for Binary Package Management

I'm not a fan of gentoo compile everything from source, as it takes
longer, serves little purpose, contributes wasted cpu heat to global
warming ;-)
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Post by n***@z505.com
https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/pkgng-intro.html

Yes, that. And in Linux terms, it would be *.deb, *.rpm etc files.

To give you an example of "binary package dependency hell" - which I
hate. Say I prefer to run Firebird RDBMS v2.1.x for some specific
reason, but I also like to use the utility FlameRobin to connect and
manage my Firebird databases. Now a new version of FlameRobin comes out,
and it has a feature I would like to use.

With binary packages, they will link FlameRobin to the latest Firebird
v2.5 or now even v3.0 client libraries, which in turn might link to the
Firebird v2.5 or v3.0 Firebird Database Server package.

So if I wanted to upgrade FlameRobin, it would upgrade the database
client libraries and might upgrade the data server. This has actually
happened to me under Ubuntu Linux before.

That is definitely not something I would have liked or wanted. So with
FreeBSD's ports system, everything is more modular and configurable, and
even though everything is also compiled from source code, the FreeBSD
team has made it super simple and uncomplicated (I know nothing about
C/C++ development and I have limit knowledge about Makefiles). The
FreeBSD ports system hides all that from you with simple commands no
matter the ports package.

$ make config // to configure dependencies and features.

$ make install clean // compile, install and clean-up afterwards

$ make deinstall // uninstall something - without
// recursively uninstalling dependencies or
// dependants.

Also, the base OS installs things in /etc/ and /usr/bin and /usr/sbin.
User installed programs and libraries (both not part of the base OS)
install things into /usr/local/etc/ and /usr/local/bin/
Nice and clear separation, and things NEVER get mixed up.


Regards,
Graeme

[Travis Siegel]

I have to say that I'm a big fan of FreeBSD as well. I have linux
machines, windows machines, MacOSX machines, and FreeBSD machines, and
out of all of them, I've had the fewest problems with the FreeBSD
machines. As Graham points out, linux machines have a habbit of
updating everything under the sun just for a simple upgrade, and that
can get expensive timewise and downloading time invested. When I need
to update something in BSD, I just hop over to the packages directory,
and update that speecific package, and all continues to work as it has.
FPC isn't always the latest, but since I compiled my own copy, that's
not really an issue for me.

I too prefer to install from source, since that way, if my particular
setup encounters a problem (as oes happen from time to time) it's
relatively easy to solve with some judicial editing of source, then
recompiling. Generally, it's quick and simple, and painless. I Like
linux too, but for different reasons. I used to use linux for my
hosting, but if I ever did the selling hosting services I hosted myself
thing again, I'd definitely use FreeBSD instead of linux for the servers.

Post by Graeme Geldenhuys

Post by n***@z505.com
https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/pkgng-intro.html

Yes, that. And in Linux terms, it would be *.deb, *.rpm etc files.
To give you an example of "binary package dependency hell" - which I
hate. Say I prefer to run Firebird RDBMS v2.1.x for some specific
reason, but I also like to use the utility FlameRobin to connect and
manage my Firebird databases. Now a new version of FlameRobin comes out,
and it has a feature I would like to use.
With binary packages, they will link FlameRobin to the latest Firebird
v2.5 or now even v3.0 client libraries, which in turn might link to the
Firebird v2.5 or v3.0 Firebird Database Server package.
So if I wanted to upgrade FlameRobin, it would upgrade the database
client libraries and might upgrade the data server. This has actually
happened to me under Ubuntu Linux before.
That is definitely not something I would have liked or wanted. So with
FreeBSD's ports system, everything is more modular and configurable, and
even though everything is also compiled from source code, the FreeBSD
team has made it super simple and uncomplicated (I know nothing about
C/C++ development and I have limit knowledge about Makefiles). The
FreeBSD ports system hides all that from you with simple commands no
matter the ports package.
$ make config // to configure dependencies and features.
$ make install clean // compile, install and clean-up afterwards
$ make deinstall // uninstall something - without
// recursively uninstalling dependencies or
// dependants.
Also, the base OS installs things in /etc/ and /usr/bin and /usr/sbin.
User installed programs and libraries (both not part of the base OS)
install things into /usr/local/etc/ and /usr/local/bin/
Nice and clear separation, and things NEVER get mixed up.
Regards,
Graeme

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Post by Graeme Geldenhuys
And the problem I currently have with hosting
many of my company services myself (like I've been doing for over 4
years), is that I lost my static IPv4 address and my ISP can't give me a
new one. This year alone my IP address has changed about 5 times, and
that means until I notice or my clients complain, my services can't be
accessed, and I need to keep updating many DNS entries and wait until
they propagate across the globe.

Have you tried a dynamic DNS? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_DNS

That's what we use to access remotely to my office that has dynamic IP
and we also install it in our customers' offices.

We use http://www.dyndns.com.
The cheapest service only allow you to register domains like
***@dyndns.com. No problem:
I register i.e "mycompanyname.dyndns.com", and in the DNS of our hosting
I add a CNAME entry "office.mydomain.com" that points to
"mycompanyname.dyndns.com"

In Spain usually you don't have many services behind you router (just
remote desktop and a few things) because in Spain most connections are
asymmetric, that is, you may have downloads speeds from 50 or 300Mb, but
uploads of 5Mb. There are also symmetric connections but are expensive.
So, web services, mail etc, are hosted in the "cloud", that is, servers
in data centers with good carriers.

Post by Graeme Geldenhuys
Are any of you familiar or use with such services? What's your thoughts
on the subject? Privacy, reliability, speed, preferred country of
hosting etc.

For legal reasons our server must be in EU. Our hosting server is in
Spain. It's not the best (hosting in Spain is expensive), but they offer
a good and personal support.
About countries on privacy, the best is Spain ;-). We have a law, LOPD
(Law for data protection) that is one of toughest in EU.

I also worked for a year with https://www.leaseweb.com/
I was satisfied those days, four or five years ago.

Be careful with very cheap plans. 512 Mb ram may be short, i.e. a
wordpress doesn't run, crawls, you have errors, services that suddenly
stop and things like that.
You could start with 512 Mb, but if watch it closely, probably you'll
run into errors and clogs and you will have to upgrade it soon. There is
no free lunch.

My personal hosting (personal mail and friends maillists and little
more) is in http://www.jumpline.com. When I hired it years ago it was
digitalspace, and I liked it. Later was it bought by jumpline, and I'm
not very happy now. I'm looking for a new one.

[Graeme Geldenhuys]

Post by Santiago A.
I register i.e "mycompanyname.dyndns.com", and in the DNS of our hosting
I add a CNAME entry "office.mydomain.com" that points to
"mycompanyname.dyndns.com"

My problem is how do I get "mydomain.com" to point to
"mycompanyname.dyndns.com". As far as I understand you can't change a A
name record to point to another domain name, only a IP address.

Sub-domains are not a problem, as you mentioned, a simple CNAME record
solves that issue.

Post by Santiago A.
For legal reasons our server must be in EU. Our hosting server is in
Spain. It's not the best (hosting in Spain is expensive),

Voltr is based in Germany I think. Either way, they have a couple
hosting sites in the EU and others scattered around the globe.

Post by Santiago A.
Be careful with very cheap plans. 512 Mb ram may be short, i.e. a
wordpress doesn't run, crawls, you have errors, services that suddenly

Yeah, if I do decide to go with a VPS solution, I'll not go for less
than 1GB or RAM. I currently run 4 websites (two being Wordpress) and
some other services on a 1GB RAM VM using FreeBSD as the guest OS. I
haven't had any problems for the past 4 years. But yes, I would consider
1GB RAM the minimum.



Regards,
Graeme

[Marco van de Voort]

Post by Graeme Geldenhuys

Post by Travis Siegel
100 bucks, I'm not complaining, since a standard T1 is only 1.54MBPS.

Here in the UK they have been trial'ing 1Gbps fiber-to-the-home
connections in a single town for a couple months now. The rate is
?30/month. I can't remember the exact upload speed, I think it was 100Mbps.

In most Dutch cities too. I'm currently on 60/60mbps for 65 eur/month triple
play. (fullhd TV, internet, telephone landline). 100mbps and higher speeds
are also available.

It is a bit expensive though, and I want to downgrade, but they seem to have
abandoned their cheaper offerings. So probably back to cable again soon.

P.s. the best thing about fiber is the latency and general reliability.
(ssh's never time out)
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Post by Marco van de Voort
In most Dutch cities too. I'm currently on 60/60mbps for 65 eur/month triple
play. (fullhd TV, internet, telephone landline).

VirginMedia has very good triple deals and download speeds. I used to
have 160Mbps down with full HD TV and phone for £30/month. Unfortunately
only a 1.8Mbps up-link.

Then we moved house, and when Virgin finally connected my home (almost 2
years later), I got a 120Mbps connection that dropped to 1Mbps every
single day between 4pm-10pm due to over subscribing and too small
infrastructure. Totally useless, and at the time you need it most
(Netflix and YouTube in the evenings), so switched back to my previous
provider, and it the process lost my static IPv4 address because my
contract lapsed. Then I got the news that they don't offer static IP's
any more. I was pissed off to say the least.

Hence me hunting for a better solution than a Dynamic IP address setup
to host some servers.


Regards,
Graeme

[n***@z505.com]

Post by Graeme Geldenhuys

Post by Marco van de Voort
In most Dutch cities too. I'm currently on 60/60mbps for 65 eur/month triple
play. (fullhd TV, internet, telephone landline).

VirginMedia has very good triple deals and download speeds. I used to
have 160Mbps down with full HD TV and phone for £30/month.
Unfortunately
only a 1.8Mbps up-link.

With 1.8Mbps up link, that's roughly 0.2 mega bytes per second, so, if
you run servers from your home that your customers access, what happens
if someone downloads a 100MB file, or 10 users all at once do it?
0.2mega bytes for 10 people is not so fast.. then if you have 50
customers logging in, it just keeps cutting down the speed massively.
Compare this to a shared web hosting account which can handle 100's of
users at once and user still downloads files at high speed..

Conspiracy theory: they are all purposely limiting upload speeds so we
don't run our own servers! They are the new world order, trying to stop
us from building OUR own internet hosted from our homes :-)
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Post by n***@z505.com
With 1.8Mbps up link, that's roughly 0.2 mega bytes per second, so, if
you run servers from your home that your customers access, what happens
if someone downloads a 100MB file

And that is exactly why I cancelled my VirginMedia contract after 2
weeks (over subscribed area for downloads, and a rubbish upload speed),
and moved back to Sky Broadband which gives me 18Mbps upload speeds, and
a much more consistent download speed (never drops below 71Mbps).

Regards,
Graeme

[n***@z505.com]

Post by Graeme Geldenhuys

Post by n***@z505.com
With 1.8Mbps up link, that's roughly 0.2 mega bytes per second, so, if
you run servers from your home that your customers access, what happens
if someone downloads a 100MB file

And that is exactly why I cancelled my VirginMedia contract after 2
weeks (over subscribed area for downloads, and a rubbish upload speed),
and moved back to Sky Broadband which gives me 18Mbps upload speeds, and
a much more consistent download speed (never drops below 71Mbps).
Regards,
Graeme

Okay 18Mbps becomes about 1.8 mega bytes per second, divide 10-50
customers...

180 Kilobytes per second is a tolerable download speed, but some users
may complain... as they are used to 500-1500kilobytes download speeds
;-)

Then if 50 customers... 180 becomes divided by 5, but maybe not likely
that 50 customers all download a file at the exact same time. Depends
how "busy" the "busyness" is :-)
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Post by n***@z505.com
Conspiracy theory: they are all purposely limiting upload speeds so we
don't run our own servers!

Interesting theory. ;-)

Regards,
Graeme

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