[fpc-other] fpc-other Digest, Vol 119, Issue 3

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Re Subject 1.
We come with a free solution for this:
I will see if our plan of creating a free server could be performed earlier.
I'll let you know, our partners already agreed.

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3. Re: M$ has bought GitHub (Marco van de Voort)
4. Re: M$ has bought GitHub (Mark Morgan Lloyd)
5. Re: M$ has bought GitHub (Marco van de Voort)

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Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 23:36:10 +0200
From: Stéphane Aulery <***@free.fr>
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Subject: Re: [fpc-other] M$ has bought GitHub
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News just in.... M$ has bought GitHub.
https://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-takes-over-github-521380.sht
ml
What a sad day it is. It seems that one day the whole Internet will be
owned and run my four companies: Apple, Google, Microsoft and Facebook.
I guess I'll be doing what the Free Pascal project has done all along...
Host my own repositories and bug tracker. Less sh*t and in full control
or my work.
I've had plans to move many of my projects off SourceForge to GitHub
because of SourceForge's performance problems and frequent outages. Now
that plan will NOT happen and I'll most likely start hosting my own
public repositories instead.
Or you can move to GitLab, which offers similar features in many ways.
A big advantage is also that it's open-source, so instead of creating
your project on gitlab.com <http://gitlab.com>, you can host your own
GitLab instance. Like Debian is doing with salsa.debian.org
<http://salsa.debian.org> . There are Docker images with ready GitLab
and dependencies, to make it easy.

The Gitlab docker image is suboptimal. There are inexplicable resource consumption peaks when we use ours at work, even when the machine is idle. It's inept to put an entire system in another one when you can already install a basic git service with a web server and tools of your choice for a limited effort.

Regards,

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Stéphane Aulery

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1. M$ has bought GitHub (Graeme Geldenhuys)
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4. Re: M$ has bought GitHub (Marco van de Voort)
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 09:11:42 +0200 (CEST)
From: ***@stack.nl (Marco van de Voort)
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Oh God, yes I forgot about those. Amazon is also spreading its tentacles
everywhere and with microphones (smart speakers) planted in every other
home. What is this world coming too? Everybody so eager to loose their
freedom and privacy. Seems Richard Stallman was right all along.

Even the Stasi could never have dreamed of victims buying the devices they
are eavesdropped by :-)

Personally the whole github thing is a non story. Github was not making
money and sooner or later the pushing towards from free towards premium
services would have started.

Now, if your company has Office 365, it might in the future also include
github 365 :-)

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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:10:23 +0000
From: Mark Morgan Lloyd <markMLl.fpc-***@telemetry.co.uk>
To: fpc-***@lists.freepascal.org
Subject: Re: [fpc-other] M$ has bought GitHub
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Another problem with Sourceforge is the fact that they enthusiastically
block access to any country that's currently on the US government's
*hitlist. I don't know what Github's policy was on that but it's pretty
sure what MS's will be... which is absolutely correct in the context of
an American corporation, but not in the context of non-American users or
paying customers.

One further thing that occurs to me is that MS might be viewing Github
as a competitor, not an "opportunity". I don't believe this is common
practice, but the Kicad PCB etc. design suite uses Github to store parts
descriptions which ordinary users access (i.e. rather than it just being
used solely by developers). Any of the "cloud" operators would obviously
throw their hands up in horror and say "that stuff ought to be in one of
our distributed databases"... well, perhaps MS recognised a potential
competitor here and acted to curtail it.

So we're now in the situation where Kicad, managed by CERN, has all its
users rely on Github. But what will happen if Trump's trade war brands
CERN an enemy and orders Github to cut off access? And that's just the
one I've come across: I'm sure that there are other user (rather than
developer) communities in the same exposed position.

So while we should be grateful that it's not Oracle, not the IBM of 30
years ago, and not one of the neo-Stasi organisations such as Facebook,
Google or Amazon, I think the World needs a robust alternative
repository where deposited data can be signed (to guarantee integrity)
but not necessarily encrypted (to prevent any government saying "what's
in 'ere then?).
--
Mark Morgan Lloyd
markMLl .AT. telemetry.co .DOT. uk

[Opinions above are the author's, not those of his employers or colleagues]

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 11:25:40 +0200 (CEST)
From: ***@stack.nl (Marco van de Voort)
To: Other FPC related discussions <fpc-***@lists.freepascal.org>
Subject: Re: [fpc-other] M$ has bought GitHub
Message-ID: <***@toad.stack.nl>
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What a sad day it is. It seems that one day the whole Internet will beowned and run my four companies: Apple, Google, Microsoft and Facebook.I guess I'll be doing what the Free Pascal project has done all along...Host my own repositories and bug tracker. Less sh*t and in full controlor my work.
I've had plans to move many of my projects off SourceForge to GitHubbecause of SourceForge's performance problems and frequent outages. Nowthat plan will NOT happen and I'll most likely start hosting my ownpublic repositories instead.

Actually Microsoft is quite a large cloud provider, and can afford to
partition its offerings and isn't as dependent on a single point (or
continent) hosting as others.

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